Self love or narcissism? - Architects of a New Dawn2024-03-29T11:28:39Zhttp://architectsofanewdawn.ning.com/forum/topics/self-love-or-narcissism?groupUrl=returntolovepostshowdiscussion&commentId=2227378%3AComment%3A98241&groupId=2227378%3AGroup%3A45800&feed=yes&xn_auth=noBrilliant answer, I cannot ad…tag:architectsofanewdawn.ning.com,2011-03-13:2227378:Comment:2499872011-03-13T19:34:10.984ZRon Alexanderhttp://architectsofanewdawn.ning.com/profile/RonAlexander
Brilliant answer, I cannot add to your wisdom, I am very grateful!<br></br><br></br><cite>A People's Walk said:</cite>
<blockquote><div><p>The difference between Self love and Selfish love is the agenda. Self love seeks nothing and gives acceptance. Selfish love is selfish for what reason. What is it that it desires that it believes it does not already have. Self love is the love I have for the existence that I am. Self love is the acceptance of my Isness. This acceptance implies an acceptance for what…</p>
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Brilliant answer, I cannot add to your wisdom, I am very grateful!<br/><br/><cite>A People's Walk said:</cite>
<blockquote><div><p>The difference between Self love and Selfish love is the agenda. Self love seeks nothing and gives acceptance. Selfish love is selfish for what reason. What is it that it desires that it believes it does not already have. Self love is the love I have for the existence that I am. Self love is the acceptance of my Isness. This acceptance implies an acceptance for what I have not accepted. </p>
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<p>What is there to be selfish about. All THAT IS does not have a lace for anything. The notion of selfishness is shunned but that I believe is based on the context. love of self is selfish. So there is a place where selfishness is appropriate with boundaries that do not extend into the space of another. </p>
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</blockquote> The difference between Self l…tag:architectsofanewdawn.ning.com,2011-02-10:2227378:Comment:2406962011-02-10T04:10:02.030ZA People's Walkhttp://architectsofanewdawn.ning.com/profile/APeoplesWalk
<p>The difference between Self love and Selfish love is the agenda. Self love seeks nothing and gives acceptance. Selfish love is selfish for what reason. What is it that it desires that it believes it does not already have. Self love is the love I have for the existence that I am. Self love is the acceptance of my Isness. This acceptance implies an acceptance for what I have not accepted. </p>
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<p>What is there to be selfish about. All THAT IS does not have a lace for anything. The…</p>
<p>The difference between Self love and Selfish love is the agenda. Self love seeks nothing and gives acceptance. Selfish love is selfish for what reason. What is it that it desires that it believes it does not already have. Self love is the love I have for the existence that I am. Self love is the acceptance of my Isness. This acceptance implies an acceptance for what I have not accepted. </p>
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<p>What is there to be selfish about. All THAT IS does not have a lace for anything. The notion of selfishness is shunned but that I believe is based on the context. love of self is selfish. So there is a place where selfishness is appropriate with boundaries that do not extend into the space of another. </p> hi ron,
thanks for your alert…tag:architectsofanewdawn.ning.com,2009-10-28:2227378:Comment:1349282009-10-28T13:01:06.818ZRon Alexanderhttp://architectsofanewdawn.ning.com/profile/RonAlexander
hi ron,<br />
thanks for your alert that you'll copy the "thought of the day by Story Waters" - i'm happy you did and also glad you kept the mention of the author of this great snippet - it's so true in my experience and yet so hard to come by -<br />
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<i><b>one person had asked Story, why she could feel unconditional love for her son and not for herself and Story answered the following:<br />
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Story Waters:<br />
Perhaps he is a mirror of what is possible, a mirror of what can birth from within you, so your love for…</b></i>
hi ron,<br />
thanks for your alert that you'll copy the "thought of the day by Story Waters" - i'm happy you did and also glad you kept the mention of the author of this great snippet - it's so true in my experience and yet so hard to come by -<br />
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<i><b>one person had asked Story, why she could feel unconditional love for her son and not for herself and Story answered the following:<br />
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Story Waters:<br />
Perhaps he is a mirror of what is possible, a mirror of what can birth from within you, so your love for him is a mirror of your potential to directly love your Self. Children are incredible mirrors of the love that has always been within you, waiting to be birthed. May you discover the love for your children in the mirror of your Self. xxx<br />
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i found that to explain beautifully why we sometimes can't give ourselves that unconditional love yet, but do feel it for our loved ones (mainly our children i think).<br />
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the never ending topic love - and <u>when are we comprehending, integrating and living that we ARE love</u> already ?....<br />
claudia</b></i> Thought of the Day by Story W…tag:architectsofanewdawn.ning.com,2009-10-27:2227378:Comment:1347872009-10-27T22:58:15.881ZRon Alexanderhttp://architectsofanewdawn.ning.com/profile/RonAlexander
Thought of the Day by Story Waters, 10/26/09<br />
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<i><b>Love is freedom. It is the foundation upon which you create. Unconditional love can only birth through loving your Self for you cannot love anyone more than you unconditionally love yourself. All love you give to others that you do not give to yourself is conditional love as it represents a separation rather than unification between you. Loving without condition connects the fabric of reality.</b></i>
Thought of the Day by Story Waters, 10/26/09<br />
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<i><b>Love is freedom. It is the foundation upon which you create. Unconditional love can only birth through loving your Self for you cannot love anyone more than you unconditionally love yourself. All love you give to others that you do not give to yourself is conditional love as it represents a separation rather than unification between you. Loving without condition connects the fabric of reality.</b></i> Thank you, Linda for bringing…tag:architectsofanewdawn.ning.com,2009-10-22:2227378:Comment:1332882009-10-22T00:16:30.716ZRon Alexanderhttp://architectsofanewdawn.ning.com/profile/RonAlexander
Thank you, Linda for bringing back this dialogue. I have returned to my mantra<b>: "Everyone (including ourselves) is innocent and loving the best they can</b>" after re-reading all of the wisdom in your and the other replies plus some positive dialogue with my nephew (facing up to 30 years in jail); Also, when I use the Ho'Oponopono "I am sorry, please forgive me, thank you. I love you" - it starts with me and I send it outwards to those I have judged (like Mom, most recently).<br />
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Here is a…
Thank you, Linda for bringing back this dialogue. I have returned to my mantra<b>: "Everyone (including ourselves) is innocent and loving the best they can</b>" after re-reading all of the wisdom in your and the other replies plus some positive dialogue with my nephew (facing up to 30 years in jail); Also, when I use the Ho'Oponopono "I am sorry, please forgive me, thank you. I love you" - it starts with me and I send it outwards to those I have judged (like Mom, most recently).<br />
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Here is a reply to a friend who has recently become enamored with The Koran -<br />
<b>"Tear out those pages", the advice that Bill Thetford used to tell us when studying <u>A Course in Miracles</u><br />
in the mid- 80's. This scribe (Helen was the channel) of this tome was describing the dualistic (ego-bashing part of <u>ACIM</u>)<br />
What I look for in all religions and spiritual pursuits is their essence. If their essence is Love and the belief that God is love and that there is no seperation, no duality in their teaching, then I will study further. The Bible, the Koran, A Course in Miracles all have this essence yet they also have parts with much duality - God and Satan or God and Ego, etc. So if in the end they do not teach that we are all innocent and loving the best we can, I lose interest. For that matter, I am not interested in the Old Testament with it's condemning "God". or the first half of A Course in Miracles which tells us how bad our ego is....then both have their wonderful love chapters like Jesus taught and the ACIM finally tells us our "essence is Love, that we are wholly loveable and wholly loving!" I don't know enough about the Koran, but would discard any seperation/duality thoughts that are written there and go for its Love Essence - the Truth!<br />
One Love, ron</b> Hi Lee,
I'd like to acknowle…tag:architectsofanewdawn.ning.com,2009-10-17:2227378:Comment:1320482009-10-17T00:52:13.916ZLinda Lawsonhttp://architectsofanewdawn.ning.com/profile/LindaLawson
Hi Lee,<br />
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I'd like to acknowledge your response above.Beautiful. Well said.<br />
Spoken like one who knows what love asks of us to wear her in our presence. ...Everything.<br />
<br />
It can be unsettling to pick out one response out of many to celelbrate. They all have made for understanding to happen.<br />
And then one message hits th e ball out of the park for the reader ... and that's it.<br />
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Home Run!<br />
<br />
warm regards,<br />
Linda Lawson
Hi Lee,<br />
<br />
I'd like to acknowledge your response above.Beautiful. Well said.<br />
Spoken like one who knows what love asks of us to wear her in our presence. ...Everything.<br />
<br />
It can be unsettling to pick out one response out of many to celelbrate. They all have made for understanding to happen.<br />
And then one message hits th e ball out of the park for the reader ... and that's it.<br />
<br />
Home Run!<br />
<br />
warm regards,<br />
Linda Lawson HI Ron, I love the questions…tag:architectsofanewdawn.ning.com,2009-10-17:2227378:Comment:1320442009-10-17T00:44:27.691ZLinda Lawsonhttp://architectsofanewdawn.ning.com/profile/LindaLawson
HI Ron, I love the questions you put forth.<br />
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Self love , it seems natural in the sense that one whose energy is resonating at the vibration of unconditional love and beyond , radiates it to self and to all life just the same. To me ,its like heating a pot of water . Every part of the water and the pot which holds it , and the surrounding environment will get the benefit of warmth from this heated state of liquid.<br />
In my humble opinion, in advanced states of practice of heart mastery , loving…
HI Ron, I love the questions you put forth.<br />
<br />
Self love , it seems natural in the sense that one whose energy is resonating at the vibration of unconditional love and beyond , radiates it to self and to all life just the same. To me ,its like heating a pot of water . Every part of the water and the pot which holds it , and the surrounding environment will get the benefit of warmth from this heated state of liquid.<br />
In my humble opinion, in advanced states of practice of heart mastery , loving self and loving others and all life is one resonance.one act .warm regards,<br />
Linda Lawson Narcissus actually hated hims…tag:architectsofanewdawn.ning.com,2009-10-09:2227378:Comment:1296522009-10-09T03:36:41.838ZCandice Wilmorehttp://architectsofanewdawn.ning.com/profile/CandiceWilmore
Narcissus actually hated himself, or what he saw in the reflection. That word is wrongly used most of the time. Being self-obsessed, which he was, and self-loving are so very opposite mm?
Narcissus actually hated himself, or what he saw in the reflection. That word is wrongly used most of the time. Being self-obsessed, which he was, and self-loving are so very opposite mm? Love after Love
The time wil…tag:architectsofanewdawn.ning.com,2009-08-14:2227378:Comment:1108002009-08-14T02:23:55.890ZRon Alexanderhttp://architectsofanewdawn.ning.com/profile/RonAlexander
<i><b>Love after Love<br />
<br />
The time will come<br />
when, with elation,<br />
you will greet yourself arriving<br />
at your own door, in your own mirror,<br />
and each will smile at the other’s welcome,<br />
<br />
and say, sit here. Eat.<br />
You will love again the stranger who was your self.<br />
Give wine. Give bread. Give back your heart<br />
to itself, to the stranger who has loved you<br />
<br />
all your life, whom you ignored<br />
for another, who knows you by heart.<br />
Take down the love letters from the bookshelf,<br />
<br />
the photographs, the desperate…</b></i>
<i><b>Love after Love<br />
<br />
The time will come<br />
when, with elation,<br />
you will greet yourself arriving<br />
at your own door, in your own mirror,<br />
and each will smile at the other’s welcome,<br />
<br />
and say, sit here. Eat.<br />
You will love again the stranger who was your self.<br />
Give wine. Give bread. Give back your heart<br />
to itself, to the stranger who has loved you<br />
<br />
all your life, whom you ignored<br />
for another, who knows you by heart.<br />
Take down the love letters from the bookshelf,<br />
<br />
the photographs, the desperate notes,<br />
peel your own image from the mirror.<br />
Sit. Feast on your life.</b></i><br />
<br />
<br />
~ Derek Walcott ~<br />
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(Sea Grapes) Crossroads (the poignant rest…tag:architectsofanewdawn.ning.com,2009-07-19:2227378:Comment:982412009-07-19T21:25:42.262ZRon Alexanderhttp://architectsofanewdawn.ning.com/profile/RonAlexander
<u>Crossroads</u> (the poignant rest of my favorite song by Peter Makena) He said he wrote it from "ideas that came through words I heard spoken at a seminar (I met him singing for a Byron Katy Work shop), and I realized how truly interdependent and fragile we are and that love starts out with being love."<br />
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<i><b>When you adopt the viewpoint<br />
That all that exists within your circle of life<br />
Is nothing but another part of you,<br />
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When you come to the conclusion<br />
That there is no one who exists, who…</b></i>
<u>Crossroads</u> (the poignant rest of my favorite song by Peter Makena) He said he wrote it from "ideas that came through words I heard spoken at a seminar (I met him singing for a Byron Katy Work shop), and I realized how truly interdependent and fragile we are and that love starts out with being love."<br />
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<i><b>When you adopt the viewpoint<br />
That all that exists within your circle of life<br />
Is nothing but another part of you,<br />
<br />
When you come to the conclusion<br />
That there is no one who exists, who is not part of you,<br />
<br />
You will wisely extend to yourself<br />
An unconditional love that will be<br />
The light of your day, the light of your night<br />
The light that lightens up this world of ours.<br />
<br />
When you come to the crossroad<br />
Where you can choose which road to take<br />
For the highest good of all<br />
<br />
When you stand at the seashore<br />
And your boat is ready to take off and sail,<br />
To follow an inner call.<br />
<br />
You will wisely extend to yourself<br />
An unconditional love that will be<br />
The Light of your day, the light of your night,<br />
the light that lightens up this world of ours.</b></i><br />
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Peter Makena (openskymusic.com)