New Illusions - Architects of a New Dawn2024-03-29T15:35:37Zhttps://architectsofanewdawn.ning.com/forum/topics/new-illusions?commentId=2227378%3AComment%3A140632&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noPlease join me at peace2027.n…tag:architectsofanewdawn.ning.com,2009-11-16:2227378:Comment:1406322009-11-16T23:37:53.549ZDeborah J. Boydhttps://architectsofanewdawn.ning.com/profile/DeborahJBoyd
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<cite>Peace Portal said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://architectsofanewdawn.ning.com/forum/topics/new-illusions#2227378Comment83610"><div>You are so correct, and dead on target (dead as in debt/Debtor/Civilly Dead); what is needed is an information age economic model. Our explanation of one is at <a href="http://www.freedigitaluniverse.com">www.freedigitaluniverse.com</a>, please take a look and let me know what you think. Here's a short video on the economic model that treats all users as Soules, and their currency is unencumbered.<br/> <object width="445" height="364"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Zvx4Rl3oM1U&hl=en&fs=1&color1=0x234900&color2=0x4e9e00&border=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="never"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Zvx4Rl3oM1U&hl=en&fs=1&color1=0x234900&color2=0x4e9e00&border=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="never" width="445" height="364"></embed></object>
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</blockquote> I really understand your ange…tag:architectsofanewdawn.ning.com,2009-11-14:2227378:Comment:1401252009-11-14T09:57:21.315ZRon Tocknellhttps://architectsofanewdawn.ning.com/profile/RonTocknell
I really understand your anger, Jackie. If I allowed myself to, I could so easily share it. But that's just gonna give me an ulcer and nothing will be achieved, will it?<br />
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We tend to vent our anger toward those we hold responsible but who are they? The President? Obama is not in control. All governments are answerable not to the people but to a 'corporatocracy'. The President is never more than a figurhead whose real job it is to keep the people more or less pacified. So who is responsible? The…
I really understand your anger, Jackie. If I allowed myself to, I could so easily share it. But that's just gonna give me an ulcer and nothing will be achieved, will it?<br />
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We tend to vent our anger toward those we hold responsible but who are they? The President? Obama is not in control. All governments are answerable not to the people but to a 'corporatocracy'. The President is never more than a figurhead whose real job it is to keep the people more or less pacified. So who is responsible? The top people in the top companies within the top industries? Naaaa! If you really want to yell at the person responsible for all the inequality, yell at <i>me</i>; yell at your next door neighbour and yell in the mirror. All of this takes place with our consent.<br />
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No person has any <i>natural</i> power over another. Except that some are stronger or more intelligent than others but the powers that control our lives are not real powers. The power to give commands is entirely reliant on the willingness of others to obey them. As long as we buy into the illusion that 'They' are in control, we will always be at their mercy. Personally, I find it hard to believe that over six billion people worldwide are at the mercy of a handful of people who assume an illusionary position of power. Finally got back to the Archi…tag:architectsofanewdawn.ning.com,2009-11-14:2227378:Comment:1401242009-11-14T09:23:20.805ZJackiehttps://architectsofanewdawn.ning.com/profile/Jackie
Finally got back to the Architects and the subject is good. We all are living in some kind of an illusiion, we have been dumbed down for so long that we the people have no knowledge of the real truth if it came up and hit us in the face, or there a few left that really know the truth and trying to get it out is something else. For starters this ploy for money and power is only among the greediest of us and hopefully you alll know where they reside, you betcha Wash.D.C., we attempt to vote…
Finally got back to the Architects and the subject is good. We all are living in some kind of an illusiion, we have been dumbed down for so long that we the people have no knowledge of the real truth if it came up and hit us in the face, or there a few left that really know the truth and trying to get it out is something else. For starters this ploy for money and power is only among the greediest of us and hopefully you alll know where they reside, you betcha Wash.D.C., we attempt to vote knowing full well nothing the people say ever gets to the right place, the person we "vote" for turns out to be a carbon copy of what went before him, what a loss.I would have been nice if he had kept his "promise" but of course now we know it was only a ploy to advance his own place of power.<br />
We should be out of the far east permanently, this is not a war it is a ploy to put money in the elitest pocket and it certainly has. At the expense of the poor Americans scratching for food, housing and basics of a decent life, instead we today are below the poverty range all over America, how sad. Our children are not learning anything in the so-called schools, that continually pump drugs into their little bodies, and are graduating from hi school without any real learning, can't read, do math, no absolutely nothing about history-yes our schools are a dismal failure today.<br />
It is time for all to realize this and start showing some stamina for their country, losing our declaration of independence is an outrage, also the fact we allowed them to do it. We really are either stupid or so out of it that it makes me sick.<br />
Time to realize all the lies we are fed daily by our so called media, which is bought and paid for to say only what is fed them by the elitests.<br />
The only thing that will save us is to realize the Total Truth and there are quite a few whom are willing to let us know.<br />
War is not the way, it is for barbarians, are we? Don't think so.<br />
Learn to love deeply all humans world wide and know we all are in the same boat, together we can stop what is going on if we show compassion and love, starting at home for it does no good to run around helping others if our own house is in disorder, for sure. Our people need jobs to build them up again, to know that they are needed, Then maybe we can think rightly instead standing around with our hand out for a few sheckels.<br />
The health scam is another bad item as well, if we had factories within our country and our people were working it would be different. Thanks for letting me go on, but am sick and tired of watching my country fade away into oblivian, not fair.<br />
JackieO "When a human lost alone on a…tag:architectsofanewdawn.ning.com,2009-07-10:2227378:Comment:951602009-07-10T22:15:42.482ZRon Tocknellhttps://architectsofanewdawn.ning.com/profile/RonTocknell
"When a human lost alone on an island it is only possible for him/her to survive certain time,after a while he/she is doomed to loose his/her mind & totally forget his/her own self and reason of being..."<br />
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I've thought about this comment on re-reading. I'm not convinced that this is necessarily so. Alexander Selkirk (who was the inspiration for Robinson Crusoe) survived four years of solitude on an island before his eventual rescue. However, there are accounts of people who have been…
"When a human lost alone on an island it is only possible for him/her to survive certain time,after a while he/she is doomed to loose his/her mind & totally forget his/her own self and reason of being..."<br />
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I've thought about this comment on re-reading. I'm not convinced that this is necessarily so. Alexander Selkirk (who was the inspiration for Robinson Crusoe) survived four years of solitude on an island before his eventual rescue. However, there are accounts of people who have been stranded on islands or inaccessible jungle who have allegedly "turned <i>feral</i>". This may well be identified as a form of 'madness' or 'losing one's mind', but what does it really mean?<br />
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I think we're both agreed that the 'civilisation' in which we live induces a form of madness in which we live an illusory life. Escaping this illusory life must be something akin to peeling away veils of illusion (because none of them would work away from a civilisation that buys into such illusions). Losing one's identity as distinct and superior to the wildlife with which one shares one's space would almost certainly be interpreted as "losing one's dignity" but could, in fact, be the point at which one is attuned to the environment; at one with the space in which they live.<br />
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What we would identify as "madness" could actually be the <i>absence</i> of the kind of madness with which we are familiar. Of course, I've only read accounts of the behaviour of such people. It would be interesting to read an account of how such a person actually feels. Did they feel lost or did they feel at one with the Whole?<br />
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I am not suggesting that this is the way we would have to go. Evolution has always progressed forward. We cannot go <i>back</i> to the Whole from which we became fragmented; we must go <i>forward</i> to the point at which we finally understand that the Whole was never fragmented in the first place. But it would still appear to many as a form of madness.<br />
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I believe that there are people who are reunited with the reality of the Whole and are regarded by many as strange. Perhaps the journey must take us through a form of madness and perhaps the madness we are experiencing now is that transition.<br />
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I feel that you are saying "we don't belong here!" Isn't that a little like saying to others "<i>You</i> don't belong here"? I sense your anger at the human race and I understand it... and, all too frequently, I <i>share</i> it. But we have to be forgiving even to those who do the most damage.<br />
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We cannot meet contempt with contempt. That's the way of conflict. Yes. We do what we can to bring about change: we write to our MPs or Senators and we write to the press. If so moved, we protest in the streets but we do it with Love, not with contempt or conflict. It's not about putting oppressors behind bars or 'not letting them get away with it'. It's about calling out to those who are hacking through the undergrowth and saying: "Hey! Put your machetes away! Look! There's a <i>path</i>!"<br />
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Then all you can do is just follow that path. You've shown them where it is; it's up to them to follow. Well, Deniz. There are theori…tag:architectsofanewdawn.ning.com,2009-07-10:2227378:Comment:950262009-07-10T11:36:11.475ZRon Tocknellhttps://architectsofanewdawn.ning.com/profile/RonTocknell
Well, Deniz. There are theories that humans arrived on earth from elsewhere but, whether true or not, we are here and whether we like it or not, we are part of nature. Even the fact that we have become lost is part of a natural process if only for the simple fact that it has happened... perhaps in the way that a caterpillar must become a dissolved 'soup' of cells within the cocoon. I think it is possible that this sense of separation may be part of a transition. I hope so.
Well, Deniz. There are theories that humans arrived on earth from elsewhere but, whether true or not, we are here and whether we like it or not, we are part of nature. Even the fact that we have become lost is part of a natural process if only for the simple fact that it has happened... perhaps in the way that a caterpillar must become a dissolved 'soup' of cells within the cocoon. I think it is possible that this sense of separation may be part of a transition. I hope so. Thanks For Your Reply Ron !:-…tag:architectsofanewdawn.ning.com,2009-07-10:2227378:Comment:950212009-07-10T11:24:11.623ZDenise Mouleshttps://architectsofanewdawn.ning.com/profile/DenizAlsanMoules
Thanks For Your Reply Ron !:-)***<br />
Yes,that;s true...!<br />
We seem to have been lost in many ways...<br />
Considering the fact that we humans are not able to survive in nature with only what nature supply,we desperatly need to connect to our man-made environment...<br />
When a human lost alone on an island it is only possible for him/her to survive certain time,after a while he/she is doomed to loose his/her mind & totally forget his/her own self and reason of being...<br />
But animals don't loose…
Thanks For Your Reply Ron !:-)***<br />
Yes,that;s true...!<br />
We seem to have been lost in many ways...<br />
Considering the fact that we humans are not able to survive in nature with only what nature supply,we desperatly need to connect to our man-made environment...<br />
When a human lost alone on an island it is only possible for him/her to survive certain time,after a while he/she is doomed to loose his/her mind & totally forget his/her own self and reason of being...<br />
But animals don't loose themselves,no matter how wild the surrounding is they manage to survive in their terms without going mad...<br />
This brings to my mind the question ( human thinks he/she is the only living being have any kind of right on earth regardless,and the king of everything!:-)))))))))))<br />
I have greatest doubt that we do belong to this world ! I think it is us humankind that does not come from this nature,it is clear somehow we are like put here all of a sudden bringing our obviously- not- working-living ways....<br />
I am in love with Earth's Nature and one day if it becomes clear ( somehow unfortunately it is ) we are not part of it ( I wish I was ) ,i will be very upset...! Deniz, what this shows us is…tag:architectsofanewdawn.ning.com,2009-07-09:2227378:Comment:947832009-07-09T22:13:13.714ZRon Tocknellhttps://architectsofanewdawn.ning.com/profile/RonTocknell
Deniz, what this shows us is how lost we've managed to get. It's a good point about the way animals treat each other. They do fight over necessary territory and mates and they do hunt and kill but this is necessary to their survival. No. They don't imprison or humiliate, torture or disempower each other. They don't take more than they need and leave the rest to starve. They haven't forgotten who they are.<br />
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It's interesting that the behaviour we usually refer to as "inhuman" tends to be…
Deniz, what this shows us is how lost we've managed to get. It's a good point about the way animals treat each other. They do fight over necessary territory and mates and they do hunt and kill but this is necessary to their survival. No. They don't imprison or humiliate, torture or disempower each other. They don't take more than they need and leave the rest to starve. They haven't forgotten who they are.<br />
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It's interesting that the behaviour we usually refer to as "inhuman" tends to be <i>exclusively</i> human.<br />
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It's hard not to be angry and I often find myself trembling with anger at the way we behave. But, unlike free animals, we have become lost and we have forgotten who we are.<br />
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We long so much to be a part of the <i>Whole</i> but, if we don't know who we are, how can we? The Whole <i>is</i> who we are. We compensate for this by trying to be a part of bite-sized sections of the Whole and Jeanne and I touched on this in another post (Jeanne will be heaving a sigh and muttering "Here he goes again! He's off... sorry Jeanne).<br />
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Belonging to different cultures, clubs, religions, ideologies and so on help to make us feel part of a community so we obviously need to feel a part of a greater entity. But it can't really be done in bite-sized chunks. The Whole simply doesn't <i>do</i> bite-sized chunks. All these different factions do is create an illusion of separateness. They are actually statements of differentiation from other factions. It's as you say, the cries of "You do not belong here! You're not one of us!"<br />
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All our advancements in technology and industry have reinforced this illusion of being apart from the Natural world. We call plastics "Man made". Do we call beeswax "<i>Bee made</i>"? No. We call it a <i>natural</i> product. We've created an imaginary division between the <i>us</i> that we think we are and the <i>us</i> that we think everything <i>else</i> is.<br />
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Alan Watts made a good analogy in <i>The Book on the Taboo of Knowing Who You Are</i>: He said that, to understand a potato thoroughly, we cut it up into small sections so we can study each section at a time in greater detail... then we try to figure out what relationship there is between each of the pieces. We forget that there were no divisions in the first place. Heart, mind, body, soul, earth, solar system, galaxy and so on are only divided by imaginary divisions that we invented to help us understand. Yet, all we understand is that there are an awful lot of bits. We've just forgotten what the whole potato looked like.<br />
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Most of us feel fragmented. I know I do. Knowing that it is an illusion doesn't seem to help. I find I'm so used to the illusion I can't break away from it. I can sort of sense this completeness but it feels like trying to grasp the details of a fading dream upon awakening (whereas it's actually trying to grasp a fading reality upon falling back to sleep).<br />
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We are a mad, dangerous, terrible, wonderful species and the only thing that can be said to differentiate us from nature is the sad fact that we don't know who we are. I can't agree more...I get an…tag:architectsofanewdawn.ning.com,2009-07-09:2227378:Comment:946722009-07-09T16:35:30.473ZDenise Mouleshttps://architectsofanewdawn.ning.com/profile/DenizAlsanMoules
I can't agree more...I get annoyed more everyday,with cars all around me and i fight my way through, in order to walk with those ugly metal dirts.The noise,the air,the danger....just one in all, ugly ,material,artificial world...<br />
In a so called ( cause it is assumed to be but actually it is not ) logical reality of our World,something fishy is going on...There seems to be a power ( which is beyond my understanding ) which I witness more and more everyday,that controls every single individual on…
I can't agree more...I get annoyed more everyday,with cars all around me and i fight my way through, in order to walk with those ugly metal dirts.The noise,the air,the danger....just one in all, ugly ,material,artificial world...<br />
In a so called ( cause it is assumed to be but actually it is not ) logical reality of our World,something fishy is going on...There seems to be a power ( which is beyond my understanding ) which I witness more and more everyday,that controls every single individual on this planet.From our childhood our families,schools,books,religions,governments talk about happiness and how much we should care for each other.But somehow,there is an invisible nasty attitude talking about these but acting on the contrary...In societies people are made prisoned to love only their family members by blood connection unconditionally ( and it is almost a sin happen to be not loving our families as if they are super human and perfect ) when people feel they have to care about their family sisters and brothers,they just pass by a person who is homeless on the street starving to death.Nobody cares.Nobody thinks that person is as close to us as our family members.<br />
The understanding for each other and sharing love starts within families...<br />
And this limited,little and narrow minded understanding for each other is extending and showing itself in religions,then in countries with borders,then in continents...<br />
It must not be only blood connections that make people call each other families...<br />
The notion of ''You are not one of us'' ''You do not belong here'' is like a virus,a monster just does not die.It is paralyzing people,hypnotising ...And that thing is utterly against of the nature of Human Kind...And more than strange thing is we are the only living beings with such hilarious mind.<br />
Is there any Animal Kind on Earth drawing lines and prevent other beings live on that piece of land?They live in one forest,one space happy & in peace...<br />
Have you ever heard of a monkey killing a bird because it was flying in its territory...Ashame the bird and prison it?<br />
Have you ever heard of a bear printing paper and make it the most necessary thing to live...Charging every animal in order to enter the forest?If they dont have it let them die in starvation?<br />
But human did...Creating a ZOO behind bars,capturing animals and charging people money in order to see the nature & animals.If you dont have money well its too bad...<br />
How more nonsense it can go?What is going on?<br />
Why can't we humans,survive on earth without changing it?Don't we belong to it at all? Bob B said, "...it may appear…tag:architectsofanewdawn.ning.com,2009-07-09:2227378:Comment:946602009-07-09T15:51:03.775ZJeannehttps://architectsofanewdawn.ning.com/profile/Jeanne
<i>Bob B said, "...it may appear that nothing concrete is happening by describing the illusions, we are actually raising human consciousness and releasing us from the prison formed by the illusions."</i><br />
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Krishnamurti called it "observation without judgement"... this awareness with detachment... this seeing the illusion, while participating in it as a reality - without going mad. Seems its a goal of sorts to aspire to amidst this illusion of affluence that grew out of the need to survive. A…
<i>Bob B said, "...it may appear that nothing concrete is happening by describing the illusions, we are actually raising human consciousness and releasing us from the prison formed by the illusions."</i><br />
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Krishnamurti called it "observation without judgement"... this awareness with detachment... this seeing the illusion, while participating in it as a reality - without going mad. Seems its a goal of sorts to aspire to amidst this illusion of affluence that grew out of the need to survive. A question I have been wrestling with is... what is essential to existence? Beyond basic survival needs, what is essential to the existence of humanity and its inter-dependent environment?<br />
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To understand the question, one need ask more... What is the essence of something? What comprises an essence? I'm thinking essence-tial is an invisible quality first, of the spirit, that radiates outward into the visible.<br />
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The jaw-clenching, weapon-wielding survivalism existence of longstanding tradition, is not only passe and unnecessary, but has become a threat to our survival. As the vision of a citizenry armed with conflict resolution skills is surpassing the lynch mob mentality, so the essence of existence is evolving too. If we are to envision another way... what would it look like? What would we do without the illusions... how do we beat swords into plowshares? Indeed in the last century we…tag:architectsofanewdawn.ning.com,2009-07-08:2227378:Comment:938782009-07-08T06:20:16.406ZLeehttps://architectsofanewdawn.ning.com/profile/Lee
Indeed in the last century we have experienced an explosion of nearly everything including consciousness, and I am glad to be part of the specific explosion explained in Jeanne's post.<br />
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For me alignment with (self, source, love, god, etc.) is the key. True alignment is evidenced by a time when every choice becomes more obvious and more void of internal conflict. As this happens the strongest contribution we can make becomes a more evident contribution for others to look to. That is the…
Indeed in the last century we have experienced an explosion of nearly everything including consciousness, and I am glad to be part of the specific explosion explained in Jeanne's post.<br />
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For me alignment with (self, source, love, god, etc.) is the key. True alignment is evidenced by a time when every choice becomes more obvious and more void of internal conflict. As this happens the strongest contribution we can make becomes a more evident contribution for others to look to. That is the contribution of setting an example we believe in, can and will back up, and that is ever more in alignment with who we are. There is no reason to fight what we disagree with, all we need to do is build a better alternative, and the best way to do that is to first align ourself with ourself. Then we bring ourself to the world, void of the illusory aspects of ourself we needed to interface with the world as we learned so many valuable lessons. It is time to build a better way, and I am doing that in my life. In doing so I am joining with others that have found similar core attributes they use to interface with the world. Together we are becoming a bigger, better, more obvious example. It is time to build what we came to build. What I seem to be building is one small piece of an alternative to corporate centerd existence without conscience. The simplest aspect of this is the ridding of all unnecessary "stuff" and it gets as complicated as trying to 100% sustain myself, with, eventually, no interaction with the corporate marketplace. It is a work in progress, but it is progressing, and it is doing so faster all of the time. Deeply consider all choices. After a while this process becomes natural, and it gets easy to know what the right choice is. Once a right choice is clear, the pieces needed to implement that knock on our door. I think they have always been knocking, but I could neither hear nor see them for all of the shiny, noisy distractions in my world.<br />
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I am not indicating that we throw the baby out with the bath water. Until a truly sustainable system has cropped up under the current one there will be needs that can only be met by the current system. Some examples are certain medical needs, certain comodities, and perhaps even a few luxury items like a tent big enough and dry enough for my kids and myself. Starting with the basics though, food can mostly be replaced with very little interaction in the corporate marketplace. Eventually these other items will be better taken care of outside of the corporate marketplace, because the driving factor will not be profit, but I do believe we have a long way to go as a race before this happens. For now be the example, and build your alternative or piece thereof.