A Return to Love

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Comment by Linda Lawson on July 4, 2009 at 10:21am

Thank u everyone for participating. I apppreciate the many perspectives that are shared.

I honor that some of us cherish the traditional ways of relating to God, that some of us know ourselves as growing sparks of God or Source ,that some of us learn best from others, that some of us learn largely intuitively from our spiritual guides who are not in physical bodies, that some of us see the big picture, and some of us just what is right in front of us.

Isn't that wondrous?

We don't have to know everything. When we work together ,put our pieces together , we have much more than we started out with on our own.

Comment by Linda Lawson on July 4, 2009 at 10:08am

HI Muhumza Kenneth,
Please start a discussion in the discussin forum using your writing on the ego.This is an important door to walk thru on our path of return to love regardless of the discipline we practice..

I hope we have lots so discussion on this topic because "the best of plans of mice an d men have gone astray" because we have not done our homeplay ( not homework ) and we have allowed this aspect of ourselves to go unnoticed,unchecked, and unloved.

Comment by Ron Alexander on July 2, 2009 at 11:06am

Hi Kenneth, thank you for this statement:It makes perfect sense to say that Unconditional Love would definitely embrace individualistic Ego for a Positive experience...

I think what we have to watch out for is dualism - separation. I have been studying A Course in Miracles for 25 years I say. Jerry Jampolsky created his Center For Attitudinal Healing with it as the primary text. Dr. Bill Thetford, who I mentioned is the scribe, was a dept. head in psychology at Columbia U. and he wondered aloud why the faculty could not get along. A colleague, a Jewish Atheist (can't think of her name), started receiving this metaphysical info. at night, and Dr. Thetford wrote her channeled info. down into a large text and workbook. It became an instant mystical hit and many fabulous teachers sprang forth - Jerry, Eckhart and Marianne Williamson to name a few. I think Marianne has stayed closest to the original, and I would read her books, and find ACIM group if you want to study it further. It is definitely worth it.
I just don't understand how such a magnificent volume could be so ego dualistic demonizing, however I would do like Dr. Thetford told us:" just tear out those pages." The rest is among the best metaphysical material since the Bible. Many say that it is like Jesus writing with a more modern vocabulary. However, feminists would argue, that it is not "modern enough" as the Diety is referred to as "Father, He, etc."

In the original Aramaic Bible, "Abba" (father) is really "Abwoom" which stands for a genderless God.

Anyway, "I would rather be happy than right", and who am I to question ACIM, Eckhart & Marianne or You, Kenneth. You are much greater teachers than myself. I will end this with one of my favorite quotes from ACIM:

Everything you teach you are learning. Teach only love, and learn that love is yours and you are love. T42

Comment by Ron Alexander on July 1, 2009 at 3:50pm

Hi Kenneth, welcome to this loving group. Several of my best teachers, including A Course in Miracles and two teachers (Marianne Williamson & Echart Tolle, who started there, talk about the ego in the same derogatory vien that you talk about it. Despite that, I still consider ACIM, Marianne & Echart to be of my most favorite teachers, however I think that an "Unconditional Lover" would have to love their ego also! Be aware of its trickery but be thankful for its protection for all these years. After all, we could not exist in this world very long from a young age without a well developed ego. At the same time, we want to avoid being an egoist or being egotistical. I think demonizing the ego activates it - causes it to be defensive and slows our ability to be non-defensive and non-judgemental.
I was in a group back in the middle to late 80's studying ACIM with Bill Thetford, who was the scribe of this wonderful text. He stayed mostly quiet on the sidelines of the group, except when we complained about the treatment of the ego. He just smiled, giggled a little and told us "just tear out those pages." He realized the deepest meaning of ACIM, and that is we are all One, and
There is a place in you where there is perfect peace. There is a place in you where nothing is impossible. There is a place in you where the strength of God abides.(ACIM W, 76) a cosmos of gratitude, ron

Comment by MARCELLE MENDEZ on June 30, 2009 at 2:18pm

UNCONDITIONAL LOVE. IT IS WHEN YOU HAVE ACCEPTED THE OTHER PERSON WITH ALL THEIR LIGHT AND DARK SIDE. THEN YOU FIND YOURSELF BEING THERE FOR THEM ALMOST ALWAYS, NO MATTER WHAT. ALMOST ALWAYS BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BE SURE TO LOVE YOURSELF ENOUGH TO TAKE EXCELLANT CARE OF YOURSELF SO YOU CAN BE THERE FOR THEM. AND U.L. MEANS NOT EXPECTING ANYTHING BACK AT ALL; AND APPRECIATION IS WONDERFUL. AND THERE IS SO MUCH MORE. CONTINUE...............................

Comment by Ron Alexander on June 29, 2009 at 10:04pm

I found a vivid description of unconditonal love - see above discussion for rest of it:

I experienced unconditional love for the first time in my life. It was searing and exquisite. It was as though I was being bathed in a light that entered every cell of my body and filled everything it passed through with love.'

Comment by Ron Alexander on June 29, 2009 at 9:28pm

Thanks Marcelle, Linda, drMike, Lee, et al.

God must love us unconditionally -
Since He gave us free will. Otherwise
he would have sent us in with a set of instructions
and rules for our life.
anonymous(to me anyway)

Comment by MARCELLE MENDEZ on June 29, 2009 at 5:33pm

HOW DO YOU RETURN TO LOVE AFTER BEING ATTACKED? REMEMBER THAT WE ARE ALL FROM THE SAME SOURCE, SPIRIT; AND THOSE THAT HURT OTHERS ARE THEMSELVES IN A LOT OF PAIN. IT IS HELPFUL TO KNOW THIS AND TO TRY TO HAVE COMPASSION FOR THOSE WHO ARE IN MORE PAIN AND SUFFERING THAN MAYBE WE ARE................PRAYER IS PROBABLY THE MOST POWERFUL WAY TO STEP OUT OF THE WAY OF BEING ATTACKED. PRAY FOR THOSE IN PAIN.

MARCELLE

MARCELLE

Comment by MARCELLE MENDEZ on June 29, 2009 at 5:27pm

ANSWER TO LINDA'S ? "HOW IS IT TO KNOW THE POWERFUL LOVE OF YOUR OWN HEART?" BY THE UNCONDITIONAL GIVING YOU DO FOR OTHERES AND THE JOY YOU EXPERIENCE IN SUCH GIVING. I BELIEVE GIVING TO THE COMMUNITY YOU LIVE IN IS ANOTHER WAY OF GIVING LOVE AND MAKING A DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD WE LIVE IN. THE PEOPLE WHO NEED IT AND DESERVE IT THE MOST ARE ALL OUR CHILDREN OF NOT JUST OUR COMMUNITY BUT OF THE WORLD.

BLESSINGS ALWAYS TO ALL OF YOU,
MARCELLE

Comment by Linda Lawson on June 29, 2009 at 5:03pm

Hey,Dr. Mike,

Lovely to see u here ... welcome . ...and u jumped right in with starting a discussion...beautiful!

You guys are really pumping up the energy in this group.


I'll ponder a bit. we have new members samantha, anita,immortal spirit, marcelle,susan, avalon, and a few not so new , we'd love to hear from,too....whenver u are ready.

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