Not a happy subject... What are your thoughts about chemtrails & also Lyme disease as a bio-weapon?

[Marinspin]

Not all of life is pretty and this is a part of life I have been wondering about lately a lot and I would like to hear other peoples thoughts about chemtrails and Lyme disease as a bio-weapon. I do not think that it is an accident that so many people are coming down with Lyme disease these days.

Watch the trailer of Under Our Skin a documentary on the Lyme disease epidemic to understand my point.

http://underourskin.com/watch.html


Are chemtrails real? Has Lyme disease been turned into a bio-weapon? I don’t know much about chemtrails so I would like to hear what others have to say about them. I do believe Lyme disease was used as a bio-weapon as early as World War ll in Germany and it is still being used by the US military. Not a very comforting thought but a reality in my mind and many others. Lyme disease is an growing epidemic world wide and is easily spread by birds who carry ticks long distances.

I was in my apartment today when I noticed an airplane leaving behind what appeared to be a chemtrail. It stayed in the sky for some time after the plane was gone. Why would our government or military be doing these horrific things to humans?

Watch the trailer from Under the Eight Ball on what Lyme disease as a bio-weapon can do

http://www.undertheeightball.com/

Here is part of an article about Operation Paperclip and Plum Island you can read the rest of the article here

http://www.rense.com/general67/plumislandlyme.htm


www.debatecomics.org/BushFamilyFortune/ .) In the mid-1970's Lyme Disease broke out in Connecticut and it has since spread through much of the United States. This program examines the possibility that Lyme Disease may have spread as a result of clandestine experimentation on biological warfare on Plum Island-a Department of Agriculture facility that doubled as an Army BW research facility. Dedicated to the study of animal diseases, Plum Island appears to have been the site of experiments with disease-infected ticks conducted by Nazi scientists brought into the United States under Project Paperclip. One of the Nazi scientists who appears to have been involved with Plum Island was Dr. Erich Traub, who was in charge of the Third Reich's virological and bacteriological warfare program in World War II. Was Traub involved with experiments that led to the spread of Lyme Disease?

Program Highlights Include: Examination of Traub's studies in the US prior to World War II; Traub's pro-Nazi activities inside the US before the war; John Loftus' discovery of references in the National Archives to Nazi scientists experimenting with diseased ticks on Plum Island; Lyme Disease activist Steven Nostrum's discovery of Loftus' findings and his work investigating Plum Island; Details of Traub's involvement with Plum Island; files about Tick Research and Erich Traub that have been purged; Scientific American's dismissal of the Plum Island/Traub/Paperclip/Lyme Disease link; the Nazi heritage of the Von Holtzbrinck firm-which owns Scientific American; Plum Island experimentation with the disease-carrying "Lone Star Tick"; the fact that the Lone Star Tick-native to Texas-has somehow spread to New York, New Jersey and Connecticut!

1. In order to understand how Erich Traub came to the United States, it is important to understand Project PAPERCLIP. The program begins with a synoptic account of that project and how its prosecution led to Traub's entry to the United States and his involvement with Plum Island: "Nearing the end of World War II, the United States and the Soviet Union raced to recruit German scientists for postwar purposes. Under a top-secret program code-named Project PAPERCLIP, the U.S. military pursued Nazi scientific talent 'like forbidden fruit,' bringing them to America under employment contracts and offering them full U.S. citizenship. The recruits were supposed to be nominal participants in Nazi activities. But the zealous military recruited more than two thousand scientists, many of whom had dark Nazi party pasts." (Lab 257: the Disturbing Story of the Government's Secret Plum Island Germ Laboratory; by Michael Christopher Carroll; Copyright 2004 by Michael Christopher Carroll; HarperCollins [HC]; p. 7.)

2. "American scientists viewed these Germans as peers, and quickly forgot they were on opposite sides of a ghastly global war in which millions perished. Fearing brutal retaliation from the Soviets for the Nazis' vicious treatment of them, some scientists cooperated with the Americans to earn amnesty. Others played the two nations off each other to get the best financial deal in exchange for their services. Dr. Erich Traub was troubling on the Soviet side of the Iron Curtain after the war, and ordered to research germ warfare viruses for the Russians. He pulled off a daring escape with his family to West Berlin in 1949. Applying for Project Paperclip employment, Traub affirmed he wanted to 'do scientific work in the U.S.A., become an American citizen, and be protected from Russian reprisals.'" (Idem.)

[Jeanne]

While there are many harmful and deliberate toxic actions taken against the people, I am inclined to believe that chemtrails are more a result of human ignorance and the inability to anticipate or predict the increase of air traffic and its resultant pollution.

Similar to city's scrambling to accomodate the beastly car dominated system - the realization of demand and waste that results from our car culture came after the damage was done.

Another reason chemtrails are likely not a deliberate plot against the people - unlike vaccines, chemtrails effect everyone, not just those injected...

[Marinspin]

Jeanne I respect your opinion but I am not sure that reasoning works because President Bush did end up with Lyme disease and is probably still treating it with a Lyme doctor in NY. I do in my opinion think that Lyme disease has been made into a bio-weapon and now they can not control who ends up with Lyme disease. Do people who work with chemtrails and bio-weapons even plan a head?

How can we prevent this sort of thing from happening again?

by Borgna Brunner read the entire article here http://www.infoplease.com/spot/bhmtuskegee1.html
"The United States government did something that was wrong—deeply, profoundly, morally wrong. It was an outrage to our commitment to integrity and equality for all our citizens... clearly racist."

—President Clinton's apology for the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment to the eight remaining survivors, May 16, 1997

For forty years between 1932 and 1972, the U.S. Public Health Service (PHS) conducted an experiment on 399 black men in the late stages of syphilis. These men, for the most part illiterate sharecroppers from one of the poorest counties in Alabama, were never told what disease they were suffering from or of its seriousness. Informed that they were being treated for “bad blood,” their doctors had no intention of curing them of syphilis at all.

The data for the experiment was to be collected from autopsies of the men, and they were thus deliberately left to degenerate under the ravages of tertiary syphilis—which can include tumors, heart disease, paralysis, blindness, insanity, and death. “As I see it,” one of the doctors involved explained, “we have no further interest in these patients until they die.”

Using Human Beings as Laboratory Animals


Taliaferro Clark, Head of the U.S. Public Health Service at the outset of the experiment.
The true nature of the experiment had to be kept from the subjects to ensure their cooperation. The sharecroppers' grossly disadvantaged lot in life made them easy to manipulate. Pleased at the prospect of free medical care—almost none of them had ever seen a doctor before—these unsophisticated and trusting men became the pawns in what James Jones, author of the excellent history on the subject, Bad Blood, identified as “the longest nontherapeutic experiment on human beings in medical history.”

The study was meant to discover how syphilis affected blacks as opposed to whites—the theory being that whites experienced more neurological complications from syphilis, whereas blacks were more susceptible to cardiovascular damage. How this knowledge would have changed clinical treatment of syphilis is uncertain.

Although the PHS touted the study as one of great scientific merit, from the outset its actual benefits were hazy. It took almost forty years before someone involved in the study took a hard and honest look at the end results, reporting that “nothing learned will prevent, find, or cure a single case of infectious syphilis or bring us closer to our basic mission of controlling venereal disease in the United States.”

When the experiment was brought to the attention of the media in 1972, news anchor Harry Reasoner described it as an experiment that “used human beings as laboratory animals in a long and inefficient study of how long it takes syphilis to kill someone.”

A Heavy Price in the Name of Bad Science

To ensure that the men would show up for a painful and potentially dangerous spinal tap, the PHS doctors misled them with a letter full of promotional hype: “Last Chance for Special Free Treatment.”
The fact that autopsies would eventually be required was also concealed.

By the end of the experiment, 28 of the men had died directly of syphilis, 100 were dead of related complications, 40 of their wives had been infected, and 19 of their children had been born with congenital syphilis. How had these men been induced to endure a fatal disease in the name of science?

To persuade the community to support the experiment, one of the original doctors admitted it “was necessary to carry on this study under the guise of a demonstration and provide treatment.” At first, the men were prescribed the syphilis remedies of the day—bismuth, neoarsphenamine, and mercury— but in such small amounts that only 3 percent showed any improvement.

These token doses of medicine were good public relations and did not interfere with the true aims of the study. Eventually, all syphilis treatment was replaced with “pink medicine”—aspirin.

To ensure that the men would show up for a painful and potentially dangerous spinal tap, the PHS doctors misled them with a letter full of promotional hype: “Last Chance for Special Free Treatment.” The fact that autopsies would eventually be required was also concealed.

[Marinspin]

I think part of paving the way for a "New Dawn" is cleaning up any toxic things humans have caused along the way.

[Jeanne]

I only addressed the subject of chemtrails... which in my understanding is linked to Morgellon's disease.



Marinspin said:

Jeanne I respect your opinion but I am not sure that reasoning works because President Bush did end up with Lyme disease and is probably still treating it with a Lyme doctor in NY. I do in my opinion think that Lyme disease has been made into a bio-weapon and now they can not control who ends up with Lyme disease. Do people who work with chemtrails and bio-weapons even plan a head?

How can we prevent this sort of thing from happening again?

by Borgna Brunner read the entire article here http://www.infoplease.com/spot/bhmtuskegee1.html
"The United States government did something that was wrong—deeply, profoundly, morally wrong. It was an outrage to our commitment to integrity and equality for all our citizens... clearly racist."

—President Clinton's apology for the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment to the eight remaining survivors, May 16, 1997

For forty years between 1932 and 1972, the U.S. Public Health Service (PHS) conducted an experiment on 399 black men in the late stages of syphilis. These men, for the most part illiterate sharecroppers from one of the poorest counties in Alabama, were never told what disease they were suffering from or of its seriousness. Informed that they were being treated for “bad blood,” their doctors had no intention of curing them of syphilis at all.

The data for the experiment was to be collected from autopsies of the men, and they were thus deliberately left to degenerate under the ravages of tertiary syphilis—which can include tumors, heart disease, paralysis, blindness, insanity, and death. “As I see it,” one of the doctors involved explained, “we have no further interest in these patients until they die.”

Using Human Beings as Laboratory Animals


Taliaferro Clark, Head of the U.S. Public Health Service at the outset of the experiment.
The true nature of the experiment had to be kept from the subjects to ensure their cooperation. The sharecroppers' grossly disadvantaged lot in life made them easy to manipulate. Pleased at the prospect of free medical care—almost none of them had ever seen a doctor before—these unsophisticated and trusting men became the pawns in what James Jones, author of the excellent history on the subject, Bad Blood, identified as “the longest nontherapeutic experiment on human beings in medical history.”

The study was meant to discover how syphilis affected blacks as opposed to whites—the theory being that whites experienced more neurological complications from syphilis, whereas blacks were more susceptible to cardiovascular damage. How this knowledge would have changed clinical treatment of syphilis is uncertain.

Although the PHS touted the study as one of great scientific merit, from the outset its actual benefits were hazy. It took almost forty years before someone involved in the study took a hard and honest look at the end results, reporting that “nothing learned will prevent, find, or cure a single case of infectious syphilis or bring us closer to our basic mission of controlling venereal disease in the United States.”

When the experiment was brought to the attention of the media in 1972, news anchor Harry Reasoner described it as an experiment that “used human beings as laboratory animals in a long and inefficient study of how long it takes syphilis to kill someone.”

A Heavy Price in the Name of Bad Science

To ensure that the men would show up for a painful and potentially dangerous spinal tap, the PHS doctors misled them with a letter full of promotional hype: “Last Chance for Special Free Treatment.”
The fact that autopsies would eventually be required was also concealed.

By the end of the experiment, 28 of the men had died directly of syphilis, 100 were dead of related complications, 40 of their wives had been infected, and 19 of their children had been born with congenital syphilis. How had these men been induced to endure a fatal disease in the name of science?

To persuade the community to support the experiment, one of the original doctors admitted it “was necessary to carry on this study under the guise of a demonstration and provide treatment.” At first, the men were prescribed the syphilis remedies of the day—bismuth, neoarsphenamine, and mercury— but in such small amounts that only 3 percent showed any improvement.

These token doses of medicine were good public relations and did not interfere with the true aims of the study. Eventually, all syphilis treatment was replaced with “pink medicine”—aspirin.

To ensure that the men would show up for a painful and potentially dangerous spinal tap, the PHS doctors misled them with a letter full of promotional hype: “Last Chance for Special Free Treatment.” The fact that autopsies would eventually be required was also concealed.

[Marinspin]

I know you were only addressing chemtrails but my point was if the military who is experimenting with Lyme disease in my opinion is so careless that Bush was bitten by a tick and has the disease then why would they care about who gets effected by chemtrails? I guess I wonder what their thinking is on both subjects. Sometimes I think it might me a bad form of population control. I was talking to a friend about it and we both would have had children if we did not have Lyme disease.

I know one person that was very into the subject of chemtrails and he thought part of the reasoning behind them was to rid the medical system of the burden of the weaker people with asthma and breathing problems so they would no be a burden on the medical system for so long. I just wonder about the reality of these things.

I know some people find this subject very dark but both chemtrails and diseases that are used as a bio-weapon are something I think and wonder about.

Is your thinking that chemtrails might cause Morgellons? Have you heard that? Teachers and nurses from what I have read seem to have a higher rate of Morgellons then the rest of the population. I know there is a Lyme specialist in San Francisco that sees a lot of Morgellons patients. I will post what he has to say on the subject. I also know an acupuncturist who has both Lyme disease and Morgellons. He thinks he received Morgellon's from bedbug bites in Napa.

I know the two hot spots for Morgellons are suppose to be Austin and San Francisco. Some people who do a salt and C protocol for Lyme disease claim they have tiny worms coming out their skin and think that might be Morgellons. I hope more research is done on Morgellons eventually so we get some answers.

ns Reply with quote
The Facts Behind The Medical Mystery Of Morgellons

http://www.ktnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=8287547


It has been nearly a year since Action News first started investigating a bizarre skin condition known as Morgellons.

The mysterious infection causes open sores with string like fibers poking out of the skin.

The condition has baffled health officials, leaving patients confused and frustrated.

Action News Kimberly Tere has more on the findings of one San Francisco doctor who says the disease is very real, very serious and talks about what might be causing it.

It sounds more like science fiction or something out of a horror movie.

"When it hits, it just feels like something is crawling all over me," said patient Judy Johnson.

Patients often complain of having mysterious red, blue and black fibers growing out of their bodies.

"It is almost like these things are alive," said Johnson.

It is called Morgellons and patients say it feels like insects are moving beneath and even biting their skin.

"In addition to the skin lesions, they tend to get other symptoms such as fatigue, muscle aches, joint pains and a lot of neurological and neuropsychiatries symptoms," said Dr. Stricker.

More than 11,000 people in the United States have reported the same symptoms forcing the medical community to take a more serious look at Morgellons disease.

San Francisco Doctor Raphael Stricker has been researching the condition and thinks he may have an explanation.

"What we have found is there is a plant bacteria that is often found in the lesions that these patients have and we think that this plant bacteria may be involved in the cause of the disease," said Dr. Stricker.

Dr. Stricker says his patients have one thing in common.

"These patients tend to have exposure to soil or dirt or some sort of plant life," said Dr. Stricker.

But exactly how is the plant bacteria getting into their systems?

Dr. Stricker believes it could be ticks.

"We know that ticks can carry something like 40 different bacteria and so it is possible the ticks are picking up the plant bacteria and transmitting it along with the Lyme Disease infecting people through their bite," said Dr. Stricker.

In a recent study of Morgellons patients, 43 out of 44 of them tested positive for Lyme Disease.

"Very often when patients get treated for the Lyme Disease the Morgellons also gets better. So it does suggest that antibiotic treatment is useful for this disease," said Dr. Stricker.

But an antibiotic treatment is not a miracle cure.

"These people have been going from doctor to doctor and being told they are crazy. There is nothing wrong with them," said Dr. Stricker.

It is a major source of frustration for patients who are suffering.

"If I could have performed an amputation to willingly get rid of the pain, I think I would have willingly cut my leg off. It hurt that bad," said Johnson.

Doctors hope that the medical community accepts this condition not as science fiction, but as science fact.

"Once we recognize this as a real disease then we can really start to do research and see what is causing it and try to find a cure," said Dr. Stricker.

The US Centers For Disease Control is about to begin its first study on Morgellons.

It is paying California based health care giant Kaiser Permanente $340,000 to test and interview patients with symptoms of the condition.

The one year study will attempt to define the conditions and determine how common it is.

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The fact that Kaiser is doing the study on Morgellons does not thrill me. They misdiagnosed my Lyme disease when I had horrific symptoms. I just have very little faith in Kaiser after some of my past experiences with them. Also they got in big trouble for messing up their transplant list when they made it in house. Luckily the media did a report on the fact the list got messed up and people who were suppose to get livers sooner were moved to the bottom of the list and dying while waiting due to Kaiser.

I hope in the future the medical system really improves in the USA for everyone and is more affordable and more holistic. I feel the need to go to Europe to receive better medical care because then what is offered here. I think the FDA and the AMA both need revamping and improving.

[Jeanne]

Marinspin said: "I know you were only addressing chemtrails but my point was if the military who is experimenting with Lyme disease in my opinion is so careless that Bush was bitten by a tick and has the disease then why would they care about who gets effected by chemtrails? I guess I wonder what their thinking is on both subjects."

The military-industrial complex is just that... complex. The right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing.

I find it difficult to lump lyme in the same category as chemtrails, because people have always been being bitten by insects, becoming diseased and dying. I've no doubt that every creature on the planet has been corrupted by human ignorance, but I don't think its all a conspiracy... just ignorance. ...like mercury in fish... its a by-product of human ignorance, not a deliberate plot.

The use of ticks as bio-weapons may have developed a strain more virulent than previously known, but ticks have been cross contaminating species forever. Taking creatures/plants out of their natural habitats and placing them elsewhere has occurred all over and continues - even though we now know better. Yet, every day people are held up at customs for that very activity. I call it the Johnny Appleseed syndrome.

The man who discovered x-rays and his wife both lived and died tragically... with their flesh falling off and their faces eaten away. Why? They didn't know what they were dealing with. ...ignorance... now we know. Yet, in spite of knowing the dangers of invisible energies, how many faulty microwaves are in existence and being used? How many children's development is being impacted by them? Too, too many... Is it a conspiracy that consumers are unknowingly participating in? Probably not... just capitalism at work.

"Sometimes I think it might me a bad form of population control. I was talking to a friend about it and we both would have had children if we did not have Lyme disease. ...I think the FDA and the AMA both need revamping and improving."

So sorry to hear that you had lyme disease... Ouch!

No, the FDA and AMA need to be done away with! Both had questionable beginnings that have grown into the monsters you would expect from such low seeds of intention. I feel fortunate to have found Oregon - land of many naturopaths and alternative practitioners. My herbalist cured (there's a word you won't hear from the allopathic medical community,) my father-in-law of leukemia and cured my cat of a parasitic infection. The other cat that I took to the vet and spent over a grand on, died. I could go on about the amazing recoveries the herbalist has assisted folks with, but suffice it to say... it is comforting to know we have options. Though not so comforting that the herbalist lives on the edge while overpaid medical personnel are raking in the bucks, while their "treatments" are killing people.

Are you familiar with naturalnews.com? Health ranger Mike has created an awesome site... if you haven't already, read his story. I'm a huge fan.

I appreciate your concerned participation on this site. May we learn much from one another.

Much metta ,
Jeanne

[Marinspin]

I have never heard of naturalnews.com before. I will check it out. I agree with you that both ticks and parasites have been on the planet since day one. Lyme disease was around way before it was discovered in Lyme Connecticut. Plum Island is directly across from Lyme Connecticut and I do not think it is any surprise that many cases of Lyme disease started showing up there at the same time.

I agree also that the military is very complex and the one part of it has no clue what the other is doing. That is the part that scares me.

I think the military needs to be more accountable to the public so that if they are up to making bio-weapons out of ticks to include a toxic soup of diseases which I do believe they are doing then they need to let us know. If they are purposely making chemtrails then they need to let the public know about that as well. I guess what I am saying is we need to know what they are up to to prevent anymore Tuskegee Syphilis Experiments or anything even distantly related to those gross experiments from taking place.

Many intelligent people who deal with Lyme disease on a daily basis including some healthcare providers I have talked to believe Lyme disease in its current form is a bio-weapon and that is why it is so difficult to treat. I am going to Germany for treatment and the doctor I will be seeing there believes it is a bio-weapon and more then one of my healthcare people in the USA have told me they believe the same thing.

I am not attempting to lump Lyme disease and chemtrails together because they are obviously two different things. I am concerned that they both may be in their current state byproducts of a out of control military or part of the government that does not care about the planet's humans and their health.

I do not know very much about chemtrails yet and I would like to learn more about them. I was hoping someone on this forum would know something about them. I do know a lot about Lyme disease and I think it is no accident that the current strains of Lyme disease are very virulent and more toxic then they have ever been in the past. Lyme patients take months of antibiotics and relapse over and over again. I don't think any of the current treatments that most Western medicine MDs in the USA offer for Lyme disease are sadly very helpful in the long term. I do think natural medicine and infrared light treatment or perhaps stem cell treatment in India are probably a safer way to treat the disease and have better results then treating with months of antibiotics and malaria meds.