Global Government: Organic Union of Souls Tricks The New World Order

[Marc]

Imagine if you will a framework, no, an architecture for a whole new agreement on how to have a functioning world government. Not one being sold to us by old European bankers with delusions of global empires, no. This new architecture would support some fundamental principles.
What might it look like ?
What are the key principles ?

I have some ideas...? What are yours....? Can you be specific and concise...?

[James Murff]

One thing it would have to have. A strong structure. It would have to counter any type of government we have today. I'm all for spiritual endeavors, but it would have to encompass everyone's ideals, to a certain extent. It would even have to have some conservative elements, as well as liberal ideals. I believe that a one world government would defy what we have known as separation, in countries, borders, races, etc. 46 and 2 just might be the end result of this type of thinking. It would be a different kind of reality, definitely.

[Marc]

Can you get specific James?
Give me an example of something you think would be necessary element?

James Murff said:

One thing it would have to have. A strong structure. It would have to counter any type of government we have today. I'm all for spiritual endeavors, but it would have to encompass everyone's ideals, to a certain extent. It would even have to have some conservative elements, as well as liberal ideals. I believe that a one world government would defy what we have known as separation, in countries, borders, races, etc. 46 and 2 just might be the end result of this type of thinking. It would be a different kind of reality, definitely.

[James Murff]

What do you want? What kind of details? One would have to draw up a new constitution, to have guidelines, because let's face it people need those. It could actually be based off a God meets Science type idea. Hmmm. You would need laws stated that would cause people to recycle their materials more wisely. There could be more than one delegate on the government's committee to state what laws would be appropriate. And it could be more of a true democratic idea, where everyone would have to serve at least a year on the committee. Maybe give a lot more of the tax money torwards schooling world wide. Open the borders of everyone's country to where anyone and everyone could visit without worry of boundaries. Have a sub-committee dedicated to exploration of space.

[Irina]

James Murff said:

What do you want? What kind of details? One would have to draw up a new constitution, to have guidelines, because let's face it people need those. It could actually be based off a God meets Science type idea. Hmmm. You would need laws stated that would cause people to recycle their materials more wisely. There could be more than one delegate on the government's committee to state what laws would be appropriate. And it could be more of a true democratic idea, where everyone would have to serve at least a year on the committee. Maybe give a lot more of the tax money torwards schooling world wide. Open the borders of everyone's country to where anyone and everyone could visit without worry of boundaries. Have a sub-committee dedicated to exploration of space.

We always want new governments, new constitutions, new laws. From time to time we (humans) even take a stand and change everything, but the end result is always the same - we are not happy and again longing for a change. The problem is within us, humans. Half the time we do not know what we want, and the other half we are busy changing our desires and preferences. To me things will change when we change - when we know what we are, who we are and why we are. Then maybe we will not need a government - we will be able to govern ourselves without using force, violence, etc.

[James Murff]

That's not what I meant. I meant what kind of specifics did Marc want smarty pants.

Irina said:

James Murff said:

What do you want? What kind of details? One would have to draw up a new constitution, to have guidelines, because let's face it people need those. It could actually be based off a God meets Science type idea. Hmmm. You would need laws stated that would cause people to recycle their materials more wisely. There could be more than one delegate on the government's committee to state what laws would be appropriate. And it could be more of a true democratic idea, where everyone would have to serve at least a year on the committee. Maybe give a lot more of the tax money torwards schooling world wide. Open the borders of everyone's country to where anyone and everyone could visit without worry of boundaries. Have a sub-committee dedicated to exploration of space.

We always want new governments, new constitutions, new laws. From time to time we (humans) even take a stand and change everything, but the end result is always the same - we are not happy and again longing for a change. The problem is within us, humans. Half the time we do not know what we want, and the other half we are busy changing our desires and preferences. To me things will change when we change - when we know what we are, who we are and why we are. Then maybe we will not need a government - we will be able to govern ourselves without using force, violence, etc.

[Marc]

I want to see if this forum can develop a concept that would be inviting enough, appealing enough, that it would rise up and usurp or supplant the systems being put into place by the Council on Foreign Relations and other old paradigm institutions trying to control the emergence of global government and global economics. There are economic forces and Think Tanks and extra-national corporations trying to cement and consolidate their influence so that they are in a position to maintain top down control over the emerging global structures.

As is often the case these entities use a kind of social calculus that leaves out important spiritual and social concerns and tends to be driven by desire to maintain control of profit and resources. This calculus is therefore less humane and incomplete.

I am looking for structures or architecture with "value" that is not measured in the traditional profit / loss way these institutions tend to measure. One that is based on progressive sustainable ideals that benefit the many over the few. Systems where value is shared across the culture and institutions are geared toward enabling the broadest possible consensus through new forms of democratic participation.

I have some very specific ideas myself and I intend to share them, but the point of this thread is to invite our collective genius or divine mind to offer ideas which we can discuss and refine. Perhaps out of this, a revolutionary concept can be born, empowering the spirit behind this site and the emerging consciousness of a sustainable global community.

[James Murff]

Well, capitalism is the way of the world. we would basically be bartering if we weren't paying with money. Nothing is free so what is your idea about how one could be able to live in this new government. What if the said individual is an atheist? How can we account for people who don't want a spiritual goverment. I personally think that spirituality and government should not mix. We would end up in the dark ages again, torturing and maiming, because someone in power would corrupt it that way.

[Zen Benefiel]

Realistically, the old systems just aren't going to disappear overnight. However, in the US anyway, we can begin to work together as citizens to replace the old guard in our political system. Obama has a great charge: Change. In spite of the willingness of the public to move toward change, we still don't know exactly what that looks like. Paradoxically, we are an ObamaNation now. From a zen perspective, it is just a thing - not good or bad - just a thing.

Still, rather than throw the baby out with the bath water, we have a phenomenal opportunity to build citizen groups, committed to revealing those who are behaving ethically toward person and planet. Those valiant servants are the ones we need to put into office and support through intelligent collaborations and coalitions for planetary stewardship. Giving good care toward green business development automatically reflects in better care for our planetary civilization. So far humans have been lazy in their efforts to work together, if at all. Yet, a few people can literally change the world. The work ahead is nothing short of challenging to say the least.

I wrote a piece on developing a model community that may hold some concrete directions, but I'm sure the organizational path is something that no one person can determine, let alone write about. I do know the benefit of partnering, though, just from working with road and bridge construction projects as a facilitator. A good facilitator is worth their weight in gold and are often the unsung heroes of effective change management strategies. In case you are curious, you can find the model community piece here.

It is time for natural leaders to ascend into their purposeful roles. It is time we revamped many systems so they operate on organic principles, integrating natural cycles, laws, patterns and rhythms of creation.

Namaste,
Zen

[Marc]

Ok James I see your fear...

What about the unrealistically optimistic side...what would you say would be something to shoot for..?

James Murff said:

Well, capitalism is the way of the world. we would basically be bartering if we weren't paying with money. Nothing is free so what is your idea about how one could be able to live in this new government. What if the said individual is an atheist? How can we account for people who don't want a spiritual goverment. I personally think that spirituality and government should not mix. We would end up in the dark ages again, torturing and maiming, because someone in power would corrupt it that way.

[James Murff]

It's a nice ideal. That's as far as I can go, but then again I'm not a very spiritual person. I need black and white right in front of me, to believe in something. I believe that making rules under any spiritualaity would end up grossly misguided. The Buddhist monks had it correct at one point with spiritual guidance, but then they got pushed out by Communism. Unless a country has defenses against these types of things it won't work. It's survival of the fittist. That's eveoltion. I am all for change or raging against the machinization that has become our society, but what do you think would be a good start? I'll be back on Monday.

[steven meglitsch]

If we want to change the world our new system would need
1. An alternative economic structure to the so called free market system - goods and services would have to be transferred from producer to user by a safe, simple and fair system that prevents the intermediaries from being the decision makers. The Internet of today might be a good tool.
2. An alternative structure for collective decision making that puts the greatest power of self determination at the lowest level, while protecting each individual from infringement from other individuals.

Neither of these could be imposed on the world from the top down ... if they were, they would not be new.

[steven meglitsch]

The only way to totally revamp the existing system would to be start another one that worked better and out competed what we have today. But that's harder than it looks. Today's system has over six billion users the vast majority of whom assume that things have to be the way they are.